7.19.2009

God, Guns, Guts, and CNN's Idiot Reporters

Greetings, Instapundit readers!

"You don't have a problem with God, do ya?"

This is a question posed to CNN reporter Carol Costello during a recent interview with Mark Muller, a Missouri car dealer whose company is offering an unusual incentive: a free AK-47 with the purchase of a vehicle.

Thanks to Muller, we now know Costello doesn't have a problem with God. (She answered in the negative). We also know she's, for lack of a more dignified term--not because I can't think of one but because she doesn't deserve it--just plain dumb.

In CNN's true journalistic fashion, she throws in a requisite number of liberal jabs after screwing up her guest's name and before attempting to engage him in a theological battle of wits, asking "Would Jesus carry a gun?" Muller responds to her jabs and ludicrous questioning with the kind of down-home common sense that make me proud to be a Southerner. "No. They didn’t have guns back then, but I do believe He’d carry a sword if he needed it. But He was so powerful he didn’t need any weapon."

Frankly, I'm suprised that CNN even aired the clip. I'm sure they expected "country bumpkin" Muller to come out with the short end of the stick against "city slicker" Costello. What the producers didn't realize was that the stick was lodged so far up Ms. Costello's hind end that Muller wouldn't have had a shot at it ... not even with an AK-47.

But don't take my word for it. Watch for yourselves:



H/T: Newsbusters.

*Disclaimer: Dumb as they are, I still love liberals in an, as Ms. Costello would say, "WWJD" kind of way. And speaking of moronic liberals ...

Update:

At its own thread at Memorandum. Nice. Or, as Ms. Costello would expect me to say since I am a backwoods Southerner: golly gee whiz, neato.

Robert Stacy McCain over at American Spectator weighs in with the classic stupid is as stupid does argument, (especially when the “does” involves watching CNN).

Pundit and Pundette declares a winner, in case you didn't already know: “Neanderthal” American male: 1; Snotty common-senseless reporter: 0.

78 comments:

  1. This video made my day. What a spokesman for Middle America!

    Let's hope there's many, many more Mark Mullers left in America than the surging maggotry what's attracted to Left-wing politics and ideas.

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  2. bgates19.7.09

    I suppose Jesus wouldn't carry a gun, and he'd probably frown on his followers carrying too. Which suggests an interesting line of questioning the next time Costello talks to the President about the Secret Service.

    The video got stuck for me right after the priceless exchange,
    "Your motto is 'God, guns, guts, and America' - how did you come up with that?"
    "Actually, it's 'God, guns, guts, and American pickup trucks'. Because we sell cars."

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  3. Anonymous19.7.09

    Amazing what a little common sense and straight talk can accomplish.

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  4. Barack Obama19.7.09

    I agree with CNN reporter Carol Costello. What kind of stupid moron would mention religion and guns in the same sentence? Stop clinging, you racists!

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  5. Anonymous19.7.09

    bgates said "I suppose Jesus wouldn't carry a gun, and he'd probably frown on his followers carrying too."

    I'd beg to disagree. Read Luke 22. In particular, the matter was brought up in vs 38. While it is true that there were no guns back then, there were swords. Same difference, same principle.

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  6. Anonymous19.7.09

    From Joe the Plumber to Muller the Auto Dealer... we are saved!!!!

    Plus: why does Instapundit keep referring to Chavez as a dictator. Does Glenn Reynolds not have access to Wikipedia? Apparently Chavez was democratically elected.

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  7. Anonymous19.7.09

    She sure puts the 'ho' back in hoplophobe.

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  8. Anonymous19.7.09

    Where was Abbot? I kept expecting Costello to yell, "Heeeeeeeyyyy!! Abbbbbotttttt!!" for some help.

    Just more evidence that Lefties can't handle any thought they don't already possess.

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  9. I don't understand where this whole "Jesus wouldn't carry" meme got such traction. Sure, he said "turn the other cheek", but he also said "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword" (Matthew 10:34) and he also wasn't averse to using violence when he was clearing out the temple in Matthew 21. Jesus was no hippie. And don't even get me started on that crap about Jesus being a liberal.

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  10. el scorcho19.7.09

    Peter cut off an ear protecting Jesus. Even though Jesus healed the man and rebuked Peter, I'm sure he knew Peter had a sword before this happened.

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  11. Anonymous19.7.09

    Would Jesus carry a gun?

    Yes, in his brand new car!

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  12. Steven M19.7.09

    Carol Costello, CNN "Journalist" and Susan Roesgen wannabe, got her hat handed to her by Mark Muller. He was everything she was not: prepared, nonplussed, unphony, and well aware of who his customers are and how he can best serve them. Muller's a professional; Costello is a hack. It's not her views that are at issue here, but her inability to separate herself from them. She tried to make herself look smart by talking down to the "rube," and ended up revealing herself as his inferior.

    I'll think of Mark Muller as an antidote next time I despair the United States are headed for Davy Jones' locker.

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  13. Anonymous19.7.09

    I just love to see the liberal elitist of the MSM bump up against the good ol boys in fly over country. The plain simple truths just tie them into knots.

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  14. Anonymous19.7.09

    Luke

    22:36 - Then he said to them, now that he has money, let him take it, and as he hasn’t got a sword, he can sell his clothes to pay for one.

    22:37 - Because I say to you, that I have yet to achieve in me what is written, and he was reckoned by the oppositions: because things concerning me have an end.

    22:38 - They brought the Lord two swords, and he said, Thanks, two swords is enough to do the job.

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  15. Smith19.7.09

    The woman IS an idiot. Bet they pay her big bux to be an idiot too.

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  16. "Plus: why does Instapundit keep referring to Chavez as a dictator.... Apparently Chavez was democratically elected."


    Oh, fer Crissake.

    A certain Reichskanzler was also democratically elected in 1933. The measure of a dictator is not whether they're voted *in*, but whether you can vote 'em *out*.

    Chavez is, yup, just another caudillo. You know, a dictator.

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  17. Anonymous19.7.09

    Watch for Chairman Obama's lefty swat team to put this auto dealer on the "to be closed" list ASAP. Just what we'd expect from Obama's brownshirts.

    chicopanther

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  18. Anonymous19.7.09

    "Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword."

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  19. Just remember Carol. When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away.

    Man, does CNN hire anything but blithering airheads?

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  20. Anonymous19.7.09

    Who is that snotty little cow?

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  21. Anonymous . . . I can quote scripture too. What's your point? "...if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36"

    I think Jesus would carry a Hi-Capacity ParaOrdnance in .38 Super, to help the bad guys meet that holy ghost sooner.

    The reporter is just another Liberal Hoplophobe; someone with an irrational fear of weapons. Typical. Sanctimonious. Clueless. Arrogant. I think I just described Obama! Ha!

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  22. I think she would have made her point without baiting the guy, but people who live in the cocoon she went to college and works in seem to think that winning an argument is as easy as asking vacuous "questions" like this, that are no more "reporting" than they are rocket science. Anybody can see that the only reason CNN is carrying the story is to paint this guy and everybody who lives in his area as ignorant rednecks and inbred retards.

    I hate this kind of smugness as much coming from conservatives like Ann Coulter or Sean Hannity as I do when I see it on CNN. The big difference is that Fox doesn't have Hannity and Coulter on 24/7.

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  23. P.S. I really like the name of your blog. Quite clever and memorable.

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  24. Oh, she wasn't that bad. She wasn't rude and she didn't talk over him. Sure, it's sort of silly asking about having both "guns" and "god" in a motto, but he answered really well and she was giving him fabulous publicity by having him on.

    So... is there actually a state where a person can buy a machine gun that hasn't been permanently altered to be a semi-automatic?

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  25. Ben S20.7.09

    In most states anyone who's not a felon can own a full-auto firearm, if they buy an expensive tax stamp from the BATF, submit to background checks, and wait a long time for all the paperwork to make its way through the bureaucracy.

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  26. Anonymous20.7.09

    "is there actually a state where a person can buy a machine gun"

    Sure, most of them. The catch is that, post-FOPA '86, legal machine guns in civie hands can't be newly made or recently imported. But since BATF already has something on the order of 780,000 legally registered machine guns in the US, there are loads available (though with a fixed supply and increasing demand, the prices are getting high).

    Obviously enough to most of us, Muller isn't giving away machine guns. Though it's not clear that anyone at CNN realizes that.

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  27. Bozoer Rebber20.7.09

    I don't know if Jesus would have carried a gun, but Moshe [Moses], Yehoshua [Joshua] and David would have.

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  28. el polacko20.7.09

    "they didn't have them back then" HAHAHA.. what a brilliant response ! how lovely to see a cnn airhead stumble and squirm ! reminds me of their 'black' airhead who tried, unsuccessfully, to get an african woman to say that obama's reception was 'unprecedented'.. his body jerked like he had been shocked with electricity when she said that bush had got the same reception. LOL!

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  29. Archaeopteryx20.7.09

    Given his ethnic derivation, if Jesus lived today he's be classifiable as a Palestinian terrorist.

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  30. Anonymous20.7.09

    Some people are offended by "CNN" and "the most trusted name in news" being used in the same slogan together.

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  31. Anonymous20.7.09

    "Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword."
    July 19, 2009 11:24 PM

    "It needs but one foe to breed a war, not two, Master Warden, and those who have not swords can still die upon them."-Eowyn

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  32. Anonymous20.7.09

    Jesus did make excellent use of a whip if I recall.

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  33. This should garner Muller even more sales. Man, these MSM twits are so in over their heads, it's a joy to see.

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  34. Anonymous20.7.09

    I find it quite interesting that an "news anchor" believes part of her job is to debate here.

    Very revealing.

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  35. Anonymous20.7.09

    Praise the Lord, and pass the ammunition.

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  36. Richard Blaine20.7.09

    And the bimbo didn't even know his name! Great interview prep, Chicken Noodle...

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  37. Anonymous20.7.09

    Hey anyone know where I can pick up some .380 ammo? It's in real short supply around here for some reason.

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  38. Anonymous20.7.09

    what is it with these so-called journalists and their constant "some people" this and "some people" that.

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  39. SunnyJim20.7.09

    test

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  40. drjohn20.7.09

    Costello was a "kid" twenty years ago?

    Who is she kidding??? Other than herself, I mean.

    This is great. He makes her out to be the tool she is.

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  41. Anonymous20.7.09

    Lots of right wing nuts in here. Let's all buy a machine gun and shoot the living sh*t out of stuff. The word infantile comes to mind.

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  42. Anonymous20.7.09

    "Given his Ethnic Derivation, If Jesus lived today he's be classifiable as a palestinian terrorist"

    Have you actually read the bible?
    Jesus was a Jew. His matrilineal geaneology and Josephs lineage are both given. King David is in both lines, as in the star of David that is on the flag of Isreal.
    Second clue, the "Last Supper" was a passover Seder.

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  43. SunnyJim20.7.09

    This clip is illustrative as to why I think "news" networks like CNN have become so marginalized and struggle to have audience share. The "reporter" was clearly not interested in actually interviewing the guy in order to present an interesting story. Her intent was to make him appear foolish - apparently to validate her firmly held belief system, probably shared by her producers, her colleagues, her friends, and all other in her view, "correct" thinking people.

    She was trying to play to the audience she perceives she should have, and most of the time she would probably be successful - this time the flyover country redneck rube was sharper than she was anticipating so it didn't work quite as planned. She CLEARLY wanted to make him look like a fool. Call it whatever you want - but don't call it journalism.

    People mock the "fair and balanced" label Fox News uses - and I have no idea how fair and balanced (as opposed to being a right wing haven counterpoint to MSNBC/CNN) it really is, since I don't watch it. But the concept of fairness, balance and objectivity is completely lost and extinct with the MSM in this country. And I believe it IS what people truly yearn for.

    [As in, DON'T lie to me and tell me the Tet offensive was a big failure, as opposed to a crushing defeat for the VC and NVA - just because YOU are, in fact, an anti-war liberal, Uncle Walter - just tell me the actual FACTS].

    I quit watching CNN years ago. Moronic segments like this simply serve to validate my decision rather than lure me back.

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  44. Anonymous20.7.09

    Dear Anonymous @7:34:
    I'm a leftist, but I'm also sensible enough to realize that the lifestyles of me and my friends are protected by the people you describe as "infantile."

    JFP

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  45. Anonymous20.7.09

    In Luke 22, verses 35-38, Jesus Christ instructs His disciples to carry swords: [35] And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
    [36] Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
    [37] For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
    [38] And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

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  46. --Given his ethnic derivation, if Jesus lived today he's be classifiable as a Palestinian terrorist.---

    Its only 8:01 AM and I've already read the stupidest post of the day. I have you down for stupidest of the week, send in your email address for the prize

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  47. The question, as (if my memory is correct) Father Richard John Niehaus said is not WWJD, but "What would Jesus have us do?"

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  48. Anonymous20.7.09

    Yeah, but why an AK-47? why not an American assault rifle to go with that American truck?

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  49. Notice how many times Costello said 'some people' and 'other people' and 'there might be some people'. I might have said, "Well Mam'n, it's a free country, and people are allowed to think whatever they want, and we're allowed to ignore them."

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  50. my understanding of luke 22 is that jesus was explaining to his followers that because society persecuted them, they would have to protect themselves. If christians were not persecuted, then they wouldn't need a sword and shouldn't have one. So when in verse 38 his followers show Jesus two swords he's a bit miffed, because they don't get the lesson. Here they are showing him swords so they can protect Jesus right now! They still want to fight to take up swords against the roman (just like christians today, they are quick to take up arms). Jesus doesn't want them to have any weapons yet, the swords are not to protect Jesus, they are to protect themselves, so when he says "That's enough" he means, quit it already, you didn't get the lesson. After Jesus leaves, all the followers should get a sword for themselves, but for now, when Jesus is alive, and there is no need for any, they really didn't need a sword to begin with.

    Jesus was a peave loving hippie who spread love and communism. He certainly wasn't for capitalism.

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  51. --Jesus was a peave loving hippie who spread love and communism. He certainly wasn't for capitalism.--

    I want to nominate this as the second dumbest thing I read on here.

    the first was this:

    --Given his ethnic derivation, if Jesus lived today he's be classifiable as a Palestinian terrorist.---

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  52. Am I alone in being troubled that the folks at CNN decided to launch a RELIGIOUS INQUISITION regarding a story that is not, on its face, a story about religion?

    Let's presume, for a moment, that Costello is a Christian who is serious about her faith (LMAO). Who died and left her Pope, that she gets to decide what the proper Christian position on guns is?

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  53. dave i just read the bible, I don't listen to preachers or the media.

    Luke 16:13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.


    Matthew 19:21-23 (King James Version)

    21Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

    22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

    23Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

    Timothy 6:9-10
    9But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.

    10For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

    acts 2

    44And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

    45And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

    Matthew 6:19-21

    19Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

    20But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

    21For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

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  54. SunnyJim20.7.09

    Bonerici,

    You are either confused about theology, confused about political theory, or a little of both.

    Jesus was apolitical and was neither "for" or "against" either Karl Marx or Adam Smith.

    His admonishments concerning wealth, money, etc. (a/k/a materialism) were directed towards INDIVIDUALS and their individual and free and voluntary choices as to how they choose to live their lives.

    There is nothing whatsoever in the New Testament that would suggest that Jesus would have approved of Mao and/or the coerced collectivism which is the hallmark of communism. He took NO position as to what the proper form of GOVERNMENT should take.

    So stop calling him a commie, or accept that you will be rightly mocked for it.

    And "hippies" typically refer to slothful and intellectually lazy young people who more often than not, defile their bodies with drugs, who engage in sexual activities the bible would label as sinful - and who do not contribute in a meaningful way to the betterment of society as a whole, aside from their taking to the streets to protest against whatever social cause they consider trendy at the moment - war, globalization, etc.

    So stop calling him a hippie too - or again, accept that you will be mocked for it.

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  55. Bonerici,

    Paul in 2 Thessalonians 3:

    "In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching you received from us. For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, nor did we eat anyone's food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to make ourselves a model for you to follow. For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat."

    We hear that some among you are idle. They are not busy; they are busybodies. Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the bread they eat. And as for you, brothers, never tire of doing what is right."

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  56. heh. I accept the scolding for calling jesus a hippie. He definitely had a work ethic that the hippies tended to lack. I still maintain that he was against guns and capitalism, not as we understand it today, but as they understood it back in the 1st century, that is not guns and adam smith but swords and mammon.

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  58. SunnyJim20.7.09

    Adam Smith was not about "mammon." Again, you exhibit an ignorance about economic theory.

    Answer me this.

    First, almost all of the Founders were believers in the divinity of Christ. They had all read the bible, and had grown up discussing it - a lot more than you have done, unless you happen to have a divinity or theology degree.

    And yet... They were also FIRM believers in the right of individual citizens to keep and bear arms. For their own protection and to safeguard their families. ("militia" as really meaning "National Guard" has been thoroughly and completely debunked - one only has to read the written commentary from the founders themselves as to what they MEANT).

    They were also, down to a man, Capitalists.

    The vast majority of them were also VERY highly educated and very well read. Everything from Christian theological tracts, to ancient Greeks, to the French philosophers of their era. These were not men like the politicians we get nowadays.

    So..how is YOUR reading and interpretation of scripture, as it should apply to our lives, our form of government, and whether we own guns, so superior to that of men like James Madison?

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  59. That's one dumb reporter.

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  60. sunnyjim, patrick henry was as you said a believer in the divinity of christ. however, jefferson, adams, benjamin franklin, paine, were all Deists, a now extinct religion which did not believe in the christian view of Jesus, instead they had a view of religion, well, just let me quote paine:

    "All national institutions of churhces, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."

    Our nation was set up modeled on the republic of rome (NOT the empire of roman, which they considered a failure -- that is they were on the side of Brutus in the case of Julius Caesar's execution).

    I think our founding father's idea of the right to bear arms was much different than Jesus' view on the same. Where as our founding fathers felt that weapons were incredibly useful in fighting against it, Jesus felt armed insurrection against tyrrany (rome) was wrong.

    Now, this is all my own opinion. I think that nobody should take facts for granted. I think everyone should read the original sources, read the bible, read the wealth of nations, and read the Virginia bill of rights. There's no harm in it, and it strengthens the mind. I don't claim to be perfect, but I do have an opinion, and maybe by sharing it with you, I can help you strengthen your on views and exercise your mind.

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  61. SunnyJim20.7.09

    Thomas Paine was certainly a Deist. He was also in the minority. The overwhelming vast majority of founders were not deists.

    Even the tiny handful of founders who were deists still believed in the teachings of Jesus, just not in his divinity.

    Jefferson was a complex man when it came to religion and can't be pigeon-holded. (although he was without question both a gun owner and a capitalist). Note what he says in his letter to Dr. Rush:

    "...the Christian religion was sometimes our topic; and I then promised you that one day or other I would give you my views of it. They are the result of a life of inquiry and reflection, and very different from that anti-Christian system imputed to me by those who know nothing of my opinions. To the corruptions of Christianity I am indeed opposed, but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he wished anyone to be: sincerely attached to his doctrines in preference to all others, ascribing to himself every human excellence, and believing he never claimed any other."

    John Adams was a Unitarian. (and he totally trashed Paine, by the way). According to Wikipedia (which of course means take with a grain of salt), "It is the philosophy upon which the modern Unitarian movement was based, and, according to its proponents, is the original form of Christianity. Unitarians believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ, as found in the New Testament and other early Christian writings, and hold him up as an exemplar. Adhering to strict monotheism, they maintain that Jesus was a great man and a prophet of God, perhaps even a supernatural being, but not God himself. Unitarians believe in the moral authority, but not necessarily the divinity, of Jesus."

    And yet...he was a Capitalist, and of course, a gun owner.

    Point to me ONE section of the gospels where Jesus actually condemns armed insurrection against governmental tyranny. And please don't take the "live by sword shall die by the sword" out of its proper context to throw at me. Jesus' teachings were - and this is MY opinion, just as you have yours - aimed squarely at the manner in which individual people should live their lives and conduct themselves. He does not address one way or another how societies as a whole should be arranged or organized, how governments should be set up, or how mass economic systems should be designed.

    That is why I take issue with those who attempt to ascribe the teachings of Jesus to support an economic political system - whether it be Marxism or any other form.

    What I can say - and I believe this is beyond factual dispute: Politicians who have advocated for any sort of communist form of government have rarely, if ever, been practising Christians (see., e.g, Lenin, Mao et al). Versus 80-90% of the Founders of this country, who - as practising Christians, were also believers and practitioners of free market capitalism, and gun owners.

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  62. thanks for the comment. I'll quote the sections which have led me to believe that jesus was against insurrection

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    romans 12

    19Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

    20Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

    21Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

    peter 3

    11Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it.

    12For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.

    13And who is he that will harm you, if ye be followers of that which is good?

    14But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;

    15But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

    16Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.

    17For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.

    * * *

    that last verse peter 3:17 is especially humble and non-violent, where he says it's ok to suffer when evil people hurt you.

    from the sermon on the mount

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    39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

    40And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.

    41And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

    * * *

    the context here is that roman soldiers could impress any jew they saw and get them to do anything, typically a roman soldier would be marching and go "Hey you" and have the jew carry his pack for a mile, perfectly legal. Jesus here says when the authority asks you to do something like this obey authority. But Jesus says something about how to obey. He says don't walk 1 mile for authority. Walk 2. This shows them that you are not broken. But to me it is very explicit in the sermon on the mount that Jesus wants everyone to obey authority, not to take up the sword and organize an insurrection against tyrrany.

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  63. Anonymous20.7.09

    "Lots of right wing nuts in here. Let's all buy a machine gun and shoot the living sh*t out of stuff. The word infantile comes to mind."

    Kindergarten level analysis of the thread. And you call us infantile...point out the thread where anyone mentioned shooting.

    Ooops, you can't. Because no one said that - but you don't care about things being true because you're a tool. And a dipshit.

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  64. SunnyJim20.7.09

    I see a lot of what I have asserted in those quotes you chose - admonishments regarding personal and individual conduct, behavior, and attitude. Not societal guidelines.

    Yes, if the Roman soldier says to YOU - "carry my pack," you should do so willingly and with a good attitude. After all, it doesn't help the cause and doesn't make a single convert to Christianity, if you kick him in the shin instead and then get yourself beheaded.

    But where is the follow-up -"And while you're at it, don't go next door when you get back home, to encourage your neighbor who is chairing an organization set on planning an insurrection in order to free all slaves - Christian, Jews and Pagan - from the shackles of Roman Tyranny - but instead shun him, keep 'em in your prayers, shut your curtains and mind your own business."

    Your reading of scripture is that such a passage CAN be inferred, and Jesus would be against people rising up against tyranny. There have always been Christian pacifists, so you are not alone. On the other hand....80% of the founders who believed in the divinity of Christ (along with 10+% of the remainder who believed in his words, if not in his divinity) read scripture differently than you do.

    And tens of thousands of self-professed Christians have fought against tyranny throughout the centuries....many a GI took his new testament devoutly with him into battle against the Nazi's, to give just one of hundreds of examples.

    Thanks to the views of the Founders and to those who have sacrificed since then, (most of whom have been Christians and Jews) you and I get to live in freedom and not in slavery.

    So whose interpretation is correct? Well, I had some ancestors who were devout pacifist Mennonites (including one who refused to take up arms for the Union Army back in 1861, for religous reasons). And other ancestors who were practising Anglicans, and some Lutherans. None of whom had a problem with fighting tyranny - while practising their faith.

    So I suppose my point would be - don't be so quick to assert that your own particular interpretation is the "one true and correct" version.

    And in turn, I won't either.

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  65. No need to speculate on what Jesus would say. The answer is in Luke 22:36

    He said to them, “…if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”

    Jesus was in this instance seeking to fulfill the Biblical "sign" of the prophesized Son of Man: that "he was numbered with the transgressors." To fulfill this prophesy, he needed to have his followers commit an act that was technically illegal, that is, an act of civil disobedience, and this is the act he chose: that they should stand up for their natural right to bear arms.

    I posted on this back in 2005:

    http://errortheory.blogspot.com/2005/04/jesus-called-for-civil-disobedience.html

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  66. David20.7.09

    A failure to defend innocent life against deadly attacks, including your own life, is a sin. So yes, Jesus would wish you to be armed. Turning the other cheek does not apply. It would constitute supporting evil.

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  67. In answer to one of the earlier comments, the rifles (actually carbines) that the feller is giving away with the trucks are semi automatic, requiring nothing special in his neck of the woods but the BATF yellow sheet.

    Now those carbines are not kosher in California and some other states because they are scary looking and the ignorant call them assault rifles.

    As for the argument about Christians and guns, the Swiss Guard at the Vatican have more than those fancy spears. Now it's true that the Pope is unlikely to go heeled but a lot of folks working for him do carry shootin' irons.

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  68. "Given his ethnic derivation, if Jesus lived today he's be classifiable as a Palestinian terrorist."

    You sir, are an ass. Jesus was born Jewish with impeccable credentials in the line of David AND Aaaron. Not Palestinian, Jewish.

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  69. Anonymous21.7.09

    This woman was blown out of the water by Middle America Mark who made her look like an absolute moron. I never watch CNN and this reminded me why.

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  70. As a reporter she should have asked neutral questions. It used to be impossible to tell how a reporter personally felt about a subject as they would report both sides of an issue.
    This one practiced yellow journalism and in decades past she would have been fired. Not any more. Mainstream media networks such as CNN, ABC, NBC, PBS and the flaming liberal rag publications of the New York Times and LA Times lean so far left they would fall over if not propped up by an unsuspecting public.
    Newspapers and magazines that practice yellow journalism should be required to print their rag mag on yellow paper. Broadcasts that practice yellow journalism should be required to fly a yellow flag in the upper right hand corner of your TV screen! This would serve to warn the unsuspecting public that flaming liberal brainwashing is about to commence. It is only fair since they secretly changed the rules of true "journalism” during the Viet Nam era.

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  71. Anonymous26.7.09

    There is no talk about fighting agiants the government in anywhere that Mark Muller said or what the Bible say's. It is the constitutional right to carry guns and weapons. Christians are supposed to trust in God for protection but nowhere does it say in the Bible that christians are not supposed to have weapons!

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  72. savage5.8.09

    Hooray for that man. What an empty headed, clueless moron Carol Costello is. She is pathetic.

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  73. Speaking as a clergyman, I can tell you that Our Lord has a categorical dislike of CNN. For myself, when I see it I reach for m'gun.

    Great site will link.

    LSP

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  74. Anonymous20.1.11

    "The West Bank, where the end of the world will begin." This happened 2000 years ago.

    Just like the gods:::Change the rules in the middle of the game.
    To their advantage, of course.
    I've always had respect issues, especially once I understood the Holocaust.
    You don't employ a strategy like this when you have to push people into their evil. The only reason why this happened was so you could maintain your schedule for the 20th century.
    Fuck you.

    7 billion in 2011. Only 1 billion in 1800 and 2 billion in 1900.
    Population explosion is a clue::::The gods are sending everyone back for The End.
    There must be some purgatory-like place. Or individual. Like an animal.
    Now the gods have sent everyone back to try for one final time to fix their problems and ascend into heaven. Avoiding an animal would have been a big positive because those thrust into this decayed enviornment have less of a chance than those who enjoyed the god's generosity of a slowly decaying enviornment with frightening clues, like the Depression, World at War, the Holocaust, etc.
    Anything that can get the poeple frightened and praying is a good. thing. Contentment never motivated anyone.

    As we approach the Apocalypse the gods are removing "wrath of god" material from xtian dogma.
    As we see wickedness spread throughout the country, like preditory behavior, godlessness, social changes, etc, using cable TV and the spread of "Californication" as justification, they changed xtianity, appropriatly with Catholicism first.
    xtianity has changed radically in the 20th century, and everyone should be mindful of the way it was, because the people are in a process of slipping out of god's favor into a state of Damnation, from which the vast majority will never survive.
    They used to scare people and make them too afraid to make mistakes. Now people aren't afraid of anything and don't think twice about doing something wicked and evil which will hurt their chances.

    Employment charity:::Was W able to do his job as President?
    I suspect there are many frat-boy types who couldn't or wouldn't study nor do the work necessary so they signed on to this "benefit" telepathically. This could have been extended to their professional life as well::In most of these cases they don't have what it takes to do their jobs. It is a temptation which buys their confidence for life, ensuring no progress is made.
    I think employment charity is FAR more common than people may believe.
    Another example how they tempted people in this manner is the procurement of sexual relations.
    Keep raping these poor girls. You're going to end up as one in your next life.

    Another feature which the Gods offer as a clue is very foreboading and ominous. Mt. Zion is a mountain to the north of Diablo (the eye of The Beast) and one which has a working quarry at its base. Consistant with the decay we experience in society, Mt. Zion is being eaten away, slowly stripped of its resources, until one day paradise will be gone forever.

    If people only understood the importance of good parents. You won't be going anywhere without them. And it won't happen unless you are one first.

    Whimsical management=Unstable pathology:::
    *Tuscon-waffles
    *2006 Hawaii-Jewelry
    *Ivan/Wilma-SCUBA
    *Haiti-slaves
    *Chile-crappy fruit
    I'm sure you got some excuse. Just like Mustang Ranch.
    You've compromised your integrity so hard you no longer deserve the label "gods".

    I'm sick of paying for what the gods want. These enemies are your doing, you invited them and I have to pay for your responsibility.
    Do something. I'm fucking sick of you. You're good for nothing.
    All that matters to the gods is their positioning. Not right or wrong, just public perception.

    Your kind is garbage, and you proved it with what you did to humanity in the 20th century.

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